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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Jul 12, 2010 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

The thing that bothered me most about Saturday was all the gas everywhere. Usually the cops are all over tanks but not this time. There was a competing event on Saturday that had the majority of Philadelphia's police presence elsewhere: the Greek Picnic has a worse reputation for crowd control than the Furthur scene, I think.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 12, 2010 12:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

Hey Now - Some older heads in Sactown told us nitrous had no place at the scene and we followed their advice. We avoided the gas and told our friends to do the same.

I have never heard the official explanation as to why nitrous was frowned upon by heads. Information please.

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Jul 12, 2010 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

I don't think there is an official explanation, but there's some pretty common sense ones. If you've ever seen anyone pass out with a balloon in their mouth and smash their face or head on a concrete parking lot you'd understand. I suspect that's why so many of the wookies you see out there are missing teeth. Also there's big money involved with selling gas, tens of thousands of dollars in profit at stake and the tanks are really easy to procure, so there has been a history of threats, violence, payoffs, some other scary stuff associated with gas at shows. I think if you Google "Nitrous Mafia" you might find some entertaining reading.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 18, 2010 9:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

Hey thanks for the tip. The Nitrous Mafia information is interesting. I've never seen such acts, but I have not attended any large festival in several years.

My old dentist in the bay area would offer gas and the CD of the patient's choice for minor procedures. Frankly I was always too afraid to bring anything really heavy.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 12, 2010 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

The band weren't above indulging themselves. A couple of extracts from Blair Jackson's Garcia:

"One track the band worked on that fall, Hunter and Garcia's 'What's Become of the Baby', was recorded and mixed in part on nitrous oxide, and the finished song actually has some of the character of a nitrous experience with its slow, surreal electronically treated Garcia vocal floating eerily above a ghostly wash of feedback, reverb laden gongs and other completely indistinguishable instruments."

"Another nitrous-influenced piece the group worked on around this time was called "The Barbed Wire Whipping Party," which was little more than layers of spoken and chanted phrases — "Meat, meat, meat, give me my meat, meat, meat!" — jumbled together to hallucinatory effect; sort of an audio nitrous party. Mercifully, it was left off the album when it came out many months later, but it's been in circulation among Grateful Dead tape collectors for many years."

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 12, 2010 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Raven Space in this regard ("More nitrous ..."):

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-04-19.mtx.tobin.89314.sbeok.flac16

Ringo, I'm glad you got to go; I'm so envious of you and the others who did! I've been trying to perform all sorts of contortions to get to a show, and something always got in the way, boo hoo. They're not coming to my 'hood, but Philly would have been a doable drive, and we almost managed it Sunday ... then something came up. Same thing happened for Coney Island (also not my area, but doable). The stars are not aligning for me :-(

I must say, though, that it really says something about the strength of this lineup that semi-oldsters like myself (I refuse to be considered an oldster quite yet!) -- folks who have, ya know, lives and all -- actually consider traveling for shows. I wouldn't travel for Ratdog ...

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 12, 2010 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

Traveling to shows is not very likely for me at this point, my life is just too complicated, between job and teenager and ailing parents and husband who has his own interests (not into the Dead, though he will come along to appease me if it's not too inconvenient, and I have to attend/tolerate his amateur astronomy gatherings; arrgggh), not to mention he also travels for his job. I don't often travel but my job is very demanding (though you wouldn't have known it to see me today).

That was partly what was so bittersweet about this; I had to remind myself that this was just one rare occasion unlikely to be repeated any time soon.

But maybe if they come to Philly next year we could consider meeting up, Althea.

Ok,I'm starting to calm down, finally.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 12, 2010 6:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

Well, in the very near future, traveling for shows is going to be a reeeeaaaaally long travel. I'm in the midst of an overseas move, and am actually sitting here in the midst of chaos listening to a nice Dark Star (something for your amateur astronomer husband?) while compiling my phone list, checking the master list of What To Do Next, and generally trying to avoid looking at the remaining clutter. Not that I'd change what I'm doing, but I am sad not to have gotten to a show when who knows if I'll have another chance ... and it would have been cool to take my possibly-still-influencable kid ... well, there's always internet streaming. The world has gotten way smaller!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 12, 2010 6:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

Just surround him with it, I think you said he's 14 or 15? It's not too late, this changes a couple of years later ... mine is scornful. He's Holden Caulfield at the moment, god, let it pass soon.

I'm still fascinated by the deadheads 20 years younger than me, who grew up going to shows. I'm actually just plain envious of them.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 12, 2010 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

Yeah, kiddo is at a friend's now, but he'd like this Dark Star cuz it's jazzy. And he's starting to say he wants to learn drums. The GD are OK with him now; hopefully he'll stay that way, at least a bit ... Good luck with Holden, LOL. If we'd gone on Sunday, it would probably have been with friends whose kid is great, but is in stage where he seldom finds things he actually LIKES. So I could envision a lot of "are they done yet?" Maybe it's just as well we didn't go :-)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 12, 2010 9:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

You better get all you can AR , not just a little bit . Unless you don't mind a lot of overseas mileage .
Nothing Lasts - Prankster mantra [ as if I need to tell you that ;) ]

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 13, 2010 5:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

Yeah, well, tell that to the folks who put together the Furthur schedule. Somehow they failed to consult me. I can't imagine how they made that oversight!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 13, 2010 5:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

Come on , you urged Ring on . It's your turn .
How about 7 - 30 ? Last show of EC tour ? Not a hard place to get to . Check out the line up for that Friday ( Gathering of the Vibes ) Quick in and out of NYC , and bam , your there . If you can write so eloquently , you can presaude whomever you need to , that this is essential - your leaving after all on the big plane . Come on AR . I'll have to try and get my wife to come on and give you pep talk .
BK is core four , btw . I was unable to join you and the 'smith yesterday .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 13, 2010 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

I had to dash out before I mentioned this, but incidentally, Micah, the Dark Star I mentioned was from the link you posted to 8/27/72 in reference to BK's core-hood or lack thereof. You'd mentioned the Bird Song. Great stuff, and on the say-so of you and Rob, I'm making a concerted effort to hear how BK's drumming is so key to the sound as to be irreplaceable ... I have to say I still don't get it, in the sense that, yeah, he's great and doing neat stuff, but so does Mickey and so do the keyboard players, without apparently being Core. (OK, keyboard players is a long discussion, but you know what I mean!)

However, I have a sneaky plan here, in response to what Ringo said about influencing the next generation. I'll ask my son to tell me what HE hears BK doing in that song that's supposedly so darned important, but I'm too dense to get. After all, he said he wants to learn drumming (and he does shush me during drumz, which is promising!) That way he can associate listening to GD with telling his mom she's utterly ignorant. Always a good thing for a 14-year-old :-)



This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2010-07-13 17:09:09

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 13, 2010 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

AR , too be cont. No BK , no GD
To hear BK w/ JG , look for JGB shows from 12 - 17 - 81 through 9 - 7 - 82 . BK was the only drummer

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 13, 2010 6:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

I missed this; your plan is brilliant.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 13, 2010 6:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

I'll be having a different kind of entertainment on that particular day. Unloading luggage, kid, dog etc in a third world airport.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 12, 2010 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

I have no idea - back in the day, I don't remember it being frowned on, but I also don't remember it being such a big thing. The very loud hissing everywhere last night was downright comical. I'm not too surprised if the cops weren't pleased by this in the end, it was pretty in their faces.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jul 13, 2010 8:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

Didn't artist Bob Fried die from using nitrous oxide in a sealed closet?

This post was modified by DeadRed1971 on 2010-07-14 03:24:29

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Poster: orca54 Date: Jul 12, 2010 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

Sunday night after the show was way different in the parking lot - cops were aggressive and not happy with what had gone on earlier in the lots( balloons ,etc.)Saturday was much more relaxed and much more crowded.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 12, 2010 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

ah - well, that shows the value in *leaving* after the show :)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 12, 2010 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

All that hissing, coming out of the show you could hear it a mile away. I didn't see a single cop.

We were sitting, before the show, outside under those statues in the traffic circle, one of them is the "Apostle of Temperance" and there were lots of amused comments on the inappropriateness of the Apostle of Temperance for this crowd.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jul 12, 2010 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Furthur

I had some woman come up to me and point at the center statue and say "dude, is that a wizard?" I thought about giving her the tale about the statues, and but thought better about it and said "right on".